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The following link is a webpage of CFNMVillage.com. It describes the origins of the term "CFNM", and how it evolved to this forum:

The Origins of "CFNM"

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The following link is a webpage of CFNMVillage.com. It describes the origins of the term "CFNM", and how it evolved to this forum:

The Origins of "CFNM"



Did the forum Visual Sensations for Women really first start the trend of the acronym "CFNM"? or were there others?


Specifically - I (Brad) created the acronym.

In the early 1990s, there was a host of forums called "Bianca's". Anyone could create a discussion forum on their server. One was called "Stripping Naked", and was about stripping people naked, but mostly as it pertained to women be forcefully stripped nude in front of a crowd. There were some posts by men wherein the reverse was discussed, that is, men being stripped in front of women, and I was one of those posters. But the forum was not dedicated to that concept. Some of the other men called guys that posted about being nude in front of women as gay, while they posted stories of women being raped.

The owner, "Byron" did not moderate the forum, so I simply didn't waste anymore time and started my own dedicated to CFNM. One of our moderators, Scooter, was part of the first membership, so if he's reading this, maybe he can recollect what specifically that forum was called. This was approximately 1993/94. People began using different acronyms for the scenario... "naked-man/clothed-women (NMCW), "nude-male, clothed-female" (NMCF), naked-boys-clothed-girls (NBCG), etc. etc. Given it was my forum, I one day made a proclamation and defined it at the top of the forum "This forum is dedicated to Clothed-Female/Naked-Male ("CFNM") scenarios. For the next couple of years, our forum was the only spot on the Internet that anyone used the acronym CFNM for an erotic encounter. One of our members then started his own CFNM group on Yahoo Groups with eventually 12,000 members joining it. About that time, Bianca's became a haven for spammers and eventually was shut down. It was then that I began discussions with Coccozella about hosting a dedicated forum for CFNM. One day Cocco created the platform and we transferred the site and members to that hosted forum and called it Visual Sensation for Women. The website is still there - http://www.sensations4women.com, and the forum was Visual Sensations for Women. VSFW was the forum that really got the word out. It was around for about 13 or so years. VSFW unfortunately had a bunch of porn banners to compensation Coccozella, which cheapened the forum. About 2 years ago Coccozella contacted me and told me they wanted to delete the forum due to server usage, which was when I created CFNM Village.

Eventually, the Yahoo Groups were shut down due to copyrighted materials from CFNM.net being posted there, and the owners of that porn site contacted Yahoo Groups for it's deletion while concurrently starting their own Yahoo Group to promote sales of CFNM materials.

So....

During the first 2 or 3 years, only the forum I created used the acronym "CFNM", as you could not find its usage anyone else on the Internet. I attribute the origins to VSFW because basically, VSFW was also a forum I owned and all its members were the same as the previous forum - we just migrated. Following our creation of VSFW, CFNM.net, which is owned by an English producer of gay porn picked up on the acronym during that period and began to market CFNM porn directed at male customers.

That's the actual/factual origin of the acronym "CFNM". Any story about its origins other than this is incorrect.

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As a member and Mod here ..... trust me .... BRAD = CFNM
end of discussion !!!!

I have been around as consumer of same since the Bianca's Smut Shack days, Byron's, Yahoo and Cocco.

CFNM is a market metric for which BRAD receives nada in royalties.

The CFNMVillage IS the vision and evolution of the genre and I believe ...
BRAD's dream of an intelligent global community dedicated to our own little corner of kinkdom

HEY maybe it should not be a village after all ......
BUT A KINKDOM ! :mrgreen:

In any event, without BRAD there would be no CFNM moniker from the past.

Without BRAD here, now .... there would be no Village.


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Alas, I wasn't keeping an archive of the beginning material. I met Brad while perusing Byron's Stripping Naked site. Was it really 20 years ago? Shit! He was one of the few who posted any content resembling CFNM and was cool enough to let this gay guy ask him questions. For those of you old enough to remember, this was when Deja News was in its glory days. I would scour the Internet looking for CFNM content. It sure would have been easier if 'CFNM' was in use as a keyword!

Here is a sample from 16 years ago. As you can imagine, Virginia's post caused quite a 'sensation'.

It was posted to: Visual Sensations for Women (VSFW) following an earlier period of site instability.

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Date; Wed May 3, 2000 at 17:10:01

Subject: Watching Boys Swim Nude at YMCA

From: Virginia

Several have asked me to repost the experiences I shared with this forum before the crash that lost all the prior postings. I did not keep a copy of what I wrote before so I am having to rewrite it all over again.

I am a woman in my mid-fifties. Back in 1964 when I was 19 I worked as a receptionist at a YMCA. One day I went upstairs to get something from a supply room. When I moved some boxes I discovered a window that overlooked the swimming pool. When I looked out I saw a group of men and boys swimming nude. I am not sure what prompted me to do it, but I flipped off the light, rearranged some boxes so that I could get a better view of the pool area, and stood there and watched them swim nude for quite some time.

After that day, a trip to the supply room was a regular event. I became voyeuristically enthralled at watching these nude males, seeing their penises flipping back and forth. I found it exhilarating to stand in the darkness of that supply room and watch these naked men and boys without them having any knowledge whatsoever that they were being watched by a woman. It was a turn on and gave me a sense of power that is difficult to describe.

Several days a week during the summer, the YMCA offered swimming lessons to boys. The YMCA's swimming instructors were women. There were three of them during the year and a half that I worked there. They wore one piece swim suits and the boys they taught were always nude. Most of the boys were between 8-15 years of age. I watched many of these private swimming classes from my secret viewpoint.

I never mentioned this to anyone, not even to my husband who I lost several years ago after being married for nearly 30 years. I first decided to share this with this forum because I saw a poster try to discount another poster's message about how boys used to swim nude at high schools and YMCAs. I knew it was true, had witnessed it myself, and decided to share what I had kept to myself all these years.

It was the custom of boys to swim nude back then and everyone accepted it as the norm. It was also thought that the modesty of males was not important as it was for girls. It wasn't considered unusual at all for the YMCA to use female instructors. It also wasn't considered unusual for the boys to be nude during their swimming lessons. The fact was that the wearing of swim suits by the males at the YMCA was not allowed. The female instructors were the only ones that wore swim suits ever. Again, that was based upon the culture of the time that women's modesty was protected and mens and boys simply weren't.



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Very interesting Brad. But why call the forum Visual Sensations for Women, was is specifically targeted towards women? How large was the female audience for VSFW? And what personally inspired you to become a fan of CFNM?


That's probably the most relevant question I've ever been asked about VSFW and more importantantly, CFNM.

When I formed VSFW, the whole purpose was to create an introduction to CFNM for women more so than men. I believed at that time, and still do, that if women were properly introduced to the concept - that is - a scenario where they could enjoy the visual sensations of being surrounded by naked men, all on their terms with their consent and absent any expectation of sex or and female nudity, they would gravitate towards it. The title was meant to attract those women.

The original purpose of VSFW was first and foremost to provide that introduction such that real-world CFNM gatherings could ensue. To that end, it was initially successful, and if you go to our home webpage of VSFW (still there), you will see photos of the first official "CFNM" gathering hosted on an unused stretch of beach that is clothing-optional friendly:

http://www.sensations4women.com/mStrip/index.html
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http://www.sensations4women.com/fmparty/index.html

The first CFNM event was done right upon the release of the 1997 film "The Full Monty", and we used some of the same musical score from that film on a separate discussion forum for those coming (never posted on VSFW for reasons discussed below). That film was perfectly timed in that it was a mainstream film all women could relate to while capturing the theme and intent of such a CFNM party with little need of convincing the ladies as they already "got it". The essence of our party was that where the final scene of The Full Monty closed (men stripping the last piece of clothing and exposing their manhood to the audience) was where I parties began. And the promotion of our event worked, we had a bout 50 people sign up with most coming - about half were women.

But VSFW taught us a lesson about current day use of the Internet, particularly as it pertains to erotica. Virtually all forums that focus upon erotic/sexual themes are proliferated by men. It is NOT just CFNM, but ANY form of sexual erotica. I could list hundreds of sexually related forums, billboards, community groups, etc, -- dealing with BDSM, oral sex, orgies, multiple partners, public nudity, potty kinks, leather whips, on and on -- and 100% of them would evidence a majority of its members are men. And yes, I know, "studies show" this-or-that about how women are just as interested in Internet porn as are men. I could also add that one study showed that 87% of all studies are full of shit. Further, despite all those that challenge claims that women are less sexually excited from visual stimulation, after 20 years of studying it, I have come to the absolute conclusion that women are NOT nearly as visually excited as men. Women are equally if not more visual than men insofar as observing and appreciating clothing, decorations, makeup, flowers...but when it comes to sexual stimulation from visual sensations, they are (in general) far, far less aroused than men - fact - and any man that argues to the contrary needs to turn off his computer, quit wasting time on forums like this one to gain their vast capacity of wisdom (sarcasm) and actually talk to women about it. I have - thousands of times. And any study that states otherwise is rubbish, because there are many more studies that prove women are less visually excited. One can blame it on evolution, sexual orientation or hard wiring, regardless, it's a fact and explains why women aren't all over this forum downloading CFNM pix and flix.

What eventually occurred with VSFW is what occurs with all such forums. They become a conduit for men to swap their daily fodder for masturbating, which includes sexual imagery - both photos and videos - as well as the opportunity to vicariously relive (or create) a sexual fantasy by writing about it. And if such a forum gets enough foot traffic by its male members, it become the focus of financial opportunity - first by spammers, then by sellers of porn that cater to such male fantasies. VSFW was the ignition point for a lot of CFNM porn produced initially by a couple of British companies, then it spread across all spectrums of porn producers.

But despite all this, there are many, many women interested in CFNM gatherings. It's just that it has to be on their terms, and done in a way that makes them feel comfortable in attending. I've learned what that is, but they are concepts most male members of the CFNM Village could not understand as their entire understanding of CFNM is from a male perspective, reinforced by their interaction with other men that share the same male-oriented fantasies of CFNM.

Finally, this website I created, CFNM Village, is still an unfulfilled promise. It aspires to once again accomplish the mission I originally had for a website and CFNM created back in the 1990s. I've been in communications with a number of women extremely interested in CFNM, some of whom have already orchestrated CFNM parties. We're in discussions about how to use this website as a way station for those seeking real-life CFNM encounters. This could include a "how-to" library, educational materials, full profiles of real CFNM players, discussion of actual parties as well as advertisements to upcoming parties, and, separate discussion forums for real players. One such woman is on the board of a sexual seminar group in San Francisco, and she has asked me to be a keynote speaker at some of their seminars. It would include a lot of women, who in turn could help out with furthering the mission of the Village.

Unfortunately for many of the members of this forum we would have to set entry barriers as to who gets into some of the sub-pages and discussion forums elsewhere on this site as most would attempt to turn it back into a male-only fantasy posting board and a way to PM real women messages so they could wank off to it. It would be exclusive to real people seeking real encounters, who would eventually have to drop a part of their veil of anonymity - at least as it pertains to certain personal information such as age, gender, location, interests, their photos and their location.

So that's a loooong answer, but I believe an important response as it has to do with the fundamental mission of CFNM Village.

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I thought it was because of yellowjackets dare forum. Where men lost bets that involved the men stripping nude in public places, but their buddies let out where the men that lost bets were going to strip. So more and more women tarted showing up to watch.


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I thought it was because of yellowjackets dare forum. Where men lost bets that involved the men stripping nude in public places, but their buddies let out where the men that lost bets were going to strip. So more and more women tarted showing up to watch.


I believe you mean "Yellow Fever" and not "yellowjackets". Regardless, you're incorrect. The original VSFW forum, which started at Bianca's (mentioned by Scooter), was about a decade before Yellow Fever's forum was founded. Also, "Byron's" forum on Bianca's was entitled "Stripped Naked" and focused on posting stories about both men and women being stripped naked as a form of humiliation. Unfortunately, Byron refused to moderate posts believing in freedom of speech. This resulted in guys posting harsh stories about stripping women naked and while also raping them - which Byron allowed. Although some of the posts on Byron's forum were in the realm of CFNM, the forum was not about that and the acronym was never used. Finally, as was the case for all of Bianca's forums, spambots took over such that about 85% of the posts were spam ads for anything from livecams to kiddie porn...over and over and over. Because of this Bianca's became worthless and was ultimately terminated by its owners.

It was at that time I created the acronym with the first CFNM-dedicated forum on the Internet.

That's the facts...

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This is awesome to learn. I'm so glad to get acquainted with the history!


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The original link gives a 404 for me, any chance of an updated one or is all/most of the info in the text posts?


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The original link gives a 404 for me, any chance of an updated one or is all/most of the info in the text posts?


Thanks for alerting us. I don't know why the link had a bad URL, but it's been fixed now.

Alternatively, just go to cfnmvillage.com and read the many, many pages about CFNM, hosting parties, experiences, our library of resources...etc...

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Brad wrote:
jwproductions wrote:
Brad wrote:
The following link is a webpage of CFNMVillage.com. It describes the origins of the term "CFNM", and how it evolved to this forum:

The Origins of "CFNM"



Did the forum Visual Sensations for Women really first start the trend of the acronym "CFNM"? or were there others?


Specifically - I (Brad) created the acronym.

In the early 1990s, there was a host of forums called "Bianca's". Anyone could create a discussion forum on their server. One was called "Stripping Naked", and was about stripping people naked, but mostly as it pertained to women be forcefully stripped nude in front of a crowd. There were some posts by men wherein the reverse was discussed, that is, men being stripped in front of women, and I was one of those posters. But the forum was not dedicated to that concept. Some of the other men called guys that posted about being nude in front of women as gay, while they posted stories of women being raped.

The owner, "Byron" did not moderate the forum, so I simply didn't waste anymore time and started my own dedicated to CFNM. One of our moderators, Scooter, was part of the first membership, so if he's reading this, maybe he can recollect what specifically that forum was called. This was approximately 1993/94. People began using different acronyms for the scenario... "naked-man/clothed-women (NMCW), "nude-male, clothed-female" (NMCF), naked-boys-clothed-girls (NBCG), etc. etc. Given it was my forum, I one day made a proclamation and defined it at the top of the forum "This forum is dedicated to Clothed-Female/Naked-Male ("CFNM") scenarios. For the next couple of years, our forum was the only spot on the Internet that anyone used the acronym CFNM for an erotic encounter. One of our members then started his own CFNM group on Yahoo Groups with eventually 12,000 members joining it. About that time, Bianca's became a haven for spammers and eventually was shut down. It was then that I began discussions with Coccozella about hosting a dedicated forum for CFNM. One day Cocco created the platform and we transferred the site and members to that hosted forum and called it Visual Sensation for Women. The website is still there - http://www.sensations4women.com, and the forum was Visual Sensations for Women. VSFW was the forum that really got the word out. It was around for about 13 or so years. VSFW unfortunately had a bunch of porn banners to compensation Coccozella, which cheapened the forum. About 2 years ago Coccozella contacted me and told me they wanted to delete the forum due to server usage, which was when I created CFNM Village.

Eventually, the Yahoo Groups were shut down due to copyrighted materials from CFNM.net being posted there, and the owners of that porn site contacted Yahoo Groups for it's deletion while concurrently starting their own Yahoo Group to promote sales of CFNM materials.

So....

During the first 2 or 3 years, only the forum I created used the acronym "CFNM", as you could not find its usage anyone else on the Internet. I attribute the origins to VSFW because basically, VSFW was also a forum I owned and all its members were the same as the previous forum - we just migrated. Following our creation of VSFW, CFNM.net, which is owned by an English producer of gay porn picked up on the acronym during that period and began to market CFNM porn directed at male customers.

That's the actual/factual origin of the acronym "CFNM". Any story about its origins other than this is incorrect.


Thank you for the backstory, I have always wondered where/how it all began. I still can remember the red and black style of the sensations4women.com, this post brought back memories.


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This was so interesting to read. In those early days of the internet the VSFW forum completely opened my eyes to a world I didn’t even know I was interested in. Nostalgically they were better days in some ways. Thanks.


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Amazing how CFNM is now almost mainstream


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I wonder how long CFNM was practiced before anyone even heard that term


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I found this information quite interesting. Thanks for the research.


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I wonder how long CFNM was practiced before anyone even heard that term


Answered on the main website

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For a long time I liked allthingscfnm.net, but they seemed to stop updating it last year, not sure why. That was the site that first got me into it, then I found sensationsforwomen, and this site.


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For a long time I liked allthingscfnm.net, but they seemed to stop updating it last year, not sure why. That was the site that first got me into it, then I found sensationsforwomen, and this site.


I seem to recall that the manager of All Things CFNM had some health issues.


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actually what happened with Allthingscfnm...?


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actually what happened with Allthingscfnm...?


Allthingscfnm is actually a member here under another name. He has had health issues but he is still around but not as active as he used to be. He logged in to the Village today

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